Two Saturn Returns

A few minutes ago, Saturn moved from Libra into Scorpio. This marks the official end of my second Saturn return.

In Hellenistic astrology, the Saturn return is measured as the entire time the planet transits its natal sign, and not just the exact degree aspect. I find that to be a very useful interpretive principle.

The parallels between the two returns were marked, and quite eerie.

Some background – in my chart Saturn is out of sect and retrograde, in the 10th house in Libra, ruler of my Capricorn ascendant. Saturn is also in mutual reception with a trine degree aspect with Venus in Aquarius in my 2nd house, and square my moon Cancer in the 7th.

Venus rules my 5th house of children.

And finally, Saturn’s antiscion is conjunct my Pisces Sun in my 3rd house, which rules my 8th house.

So we have 10th house (career), 2nd(finances), 3rd(relatives),7th(relationships), 8th(death) and 5th(children).

Near the beginning of my first Saturn return in 1980, my first wife’s younger sister died of cancer.  About a year later, near the time that the Saturn return aspect was exact, our daughter was born, and given the middle name of the sister who had died.

The same weekend my daughter was born I started a new job and a new career.

At around the time the first Saturn return ended, I left my wife, and the marriage ended in divorce.

Fast forward thirty years into the future.

Very near the start of my second Saturn return, within a few weeks of Saturn’s Libra ingress, my second wife died of cancer.

A few months before, I accepted a job offer, to the position I hold now.

About a year after my wife’s death, near the exact degree aspect of the Saturn return, my granddaughter was born. Her middle name is the name of my deceased wife.

So, both returns were marked by
– a death of a woman relative from cancer
– a girl being born and given the dead woman’s name for her middle name
– a new job starting
– a marriage ending – one from divorce, and one from death.


Which one was more difficult?  They were different.

I was much less aware during the first return, so I felt knocked around and buffeted by circumstances a lot more. The second return was mostly focused on grieving my second wife’s death, which I tried to do quite consciously.


This afternoon, while I was counting down and waiting for the final ingress, I listened to a CD of Paul Simon’s Greatest Hits. It felt appropriate – Paul Simon does Melancholy better than anyone else I know.

Shortly before the ingress was the tune, ‘Something So Right’, which I’ve always associated with my wife.

Right at the turning, the final song was, ‘American Tune’.

I don’t know a soul who’s not been battered,
I don’t know a friend who feels at ease.
I don’t know a dream that’s not been shattered
Or driven to its knees.

Oh, but it’s all right, it’s all right,
For we’ve lived so well so long.
Still, when I think of
the road we’re traveling on,
I wonder what’s gone wrong,
I can’t help it I wonder,
What’s gone wrong.

– Paul Simon




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  2. I have almost finished my second Saturn return just waiting for the last hit as Saturn has gone retrograde. Mine is a bit complicate as I have 4 planets in Sagittarius Sun/Venus conjunction at the beginning trine Uranus and Saturn/Mercury conjunction at the end trine a Leo Moon on the ascendant. My first Saturn return turned my whole life upside down…..I was happily bumbling along from relationship to relationship as we Sagi’s tend to do! LOL
    When I fell in Love with a wonderful woman with 4 children, yes in whole sign Sagittarius is in the fifth house. Saturn rules the 6th and 7th house. Amazingly I found out I like children and they seem to like me! Despite everybody dire warnings we are still together after 30 years and being happily married for 25 years. We have 2 son’s of our own and also have long term foster son who has been with us since the age of 6 and is now 22.
    My second Saturn return started basically at the ingress of Saturn into Sagittarius. My youngest son started University and as he is disabled in a wheelchair we had to arrange support for him as he was living in the Campus. This meant employing helpers, sorting out insurance, tax and pay etc. My oldest son’s partner got pregnant unexpectedly while she was living with us before she started University. So we now have another Grandchild making 6 in all. My wife was diagnosed with polymyaglia about 12 months ago. (6th house kicking in). We have been very heavily involved with looking after Grandchildren and the needs of our own children. My stepdaughter Tasha is expecting her third child in December near my birthday and at the end of my Saturn return. My youngest stepdaughter has just announced she is getting married Lets hope life eases up then! LOL

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